Obama Endorses Same-Sex Marriage: PA Advocates Rejoice
President Obama made his historic pronouncement during an interview with ABC News.
President Barack Obama has publicly come out in support of gay marriage, the first time in history that a sitting U.S. President has ever done so.
Obama, who during the last presidential election stated that he opposed gay marriage, gave the news to ABC News' Robin Roberts in an interview that will air on ABC's “Good Morning America" on Thursday.
"I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married,” Obama told Roberts.
The news comes just days after Vice President Joe Biden said he supports gay marriage.
Pennsylvania Reaction
“[W]e believe it truly represents what so many Americans are really feeling about LGBT relationships. His evolution is not unlike the experiences of thousands of people who have come to know that the struggles, the triumphs, the ups and the downs of LGBT couples are remarkably like their own. In fact, they are the same,” Equality Pennsylvania posted to its Facebook page Wednesday as part of a statement applauding the president for his support.
“Now that the President has spoken out, expect most, though certainly not all Democrats in the Senate to speak out too,” posted Gay Marriage for Pennsylvania to its Facebook page Wednesday with a link to an article about Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid joining Obama’s support for gay marriage.
However, some do not share the president's new view on gay marriage. Dave Norris, a retired steelworker and registered Democrat, told the Associated Press that he does not support same-sex marriage.
"I would hope it would hurt him, but in today's society, there's nothing sacred," Norris said of the president's recent public statement.
While Republican Gov. Tom Corbett has not yet made a public statement in regards to the president's interview, he does not support same-sex marriage and the Republican-controlled Legislature has not approved any bills in favor of gay marriage.
Sens. Casey and Toomey
The announcement increases pressure on other Democrats, such as U.S. Sen. Bob Casey (PA) to support equality in marriage. Equality Pennsylvania President, Adrian Shanker, 25, of Bethlehem, told the Morning Call that his organization will continue to push the issue.
Casey told The Philadelphia Jewish Voice in 2005 that he does not support gay marriage, but would not support a constitutional amendment to ban it. U.S. Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) voted in favor of a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.
Lucy Bennett
2:20 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Do you think gay marriage should be legalized? Should the decision be made at the federal or state level? Will Obama's support for gay marriage influence your vote in November?
Bob Byrne
6:09 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Ralph Reed, Chairman of the Conservative Faith and Freedom Coalition calls the President's reversal a gift to the Romney Campaign. saying "Four years ago 2008 Barack Obama promised if elected not to raise taxes on those making less than $250,000, pledged to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term—and made clear his support for traditional marriage. All those promises are now broken. At a time of high unemployment and severe economic distress, President Obama chose the week he launched his re-election campaign to flip-flop on same-sex marriage. Combined with his administration’s opposition to the Defense of Marriage Act, it reveals a president who is tone-deaf and out-of-touch with the time-honored values of millions of Americans. This is an unanticipated gift to the Romney campaign. It is certain to fuel a record turnout of voters of faith to the polls this November."
TommySmits
4:49 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Obama "out of touch"?! And I suppose Romney, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, attended private schools all of his life, brought into politics as a legacy, whose net worth is estimated at $250 million, THIS is the guy that you think is "in touch"? Give me a break. If Romney is elected, we will continue to see tax breaks for the rich, and oppression of the poor and middle class. Every presidential candidate has made promises that they can't keep, and it will only get worse because of the indecisiveness and filibustering of the house and senate.
And shame on you as a journalist for injecting your own beliefs into a story.
Marc L.
4:53 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Tommy: Read the quote that Bob Byrne posted again. Those aren't his words. And he didn't write the story either.
cast4
4:54 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I don't see what beliefs he interjected. He just gave a quote.
Wynnewoodie
5:58 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Ralph Reed is a Republican party hack who traffics in fear and hatred.
Shep Smith (of Fox News!) is right: the Republican Party is on the wrong side of history on this issue. Would that Mitt Romney had the courage to stand with those who seek freedom and equality for all Americans regardless of the political consequences rather than pandering to bigots and ignorance for political gain.
He's no better than George Wallace.
Paul J. Mullock
7:18 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Well, at least we know that Romney was born in a country that uses silverware and doesn't eat dogs. Interesting that we know more about Romney's life than Obama's. Don't forget to write your checks soon, suckers.
Wynnewoodie
9:04 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Really? Has Romney disclosed his US birth certificate to the media? Obama did. He was born in Hawaii. Pretty sure they use silverware there (and don't eat dogs).
For all I know, Romney was born in Mexico in the cult compound of his polygamist grandfather.
Stephen Eickhoff
11:35 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Wynnewoodie, people like you are the reason why the Main Line is going to hell. I used to like living in Ardmore, but the scavenging thieves who wouldn't work and knifed innocent shopkeepers drove me out. You are a partisan who is only interested in making smug pronouncements and maintaining your grasp on your entitlements.
Wynnewoodie
6:28 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
I neither accept your premise that the Main Line is in decline nor that I am in any way responsible for whatever drove you from Ardmore. All I did was point out that President Obama has established beyond any reasonable doubt (and more thoroughly than Governor Romney) that he was born in a place that uses silverware and doesn't put Fido on the menu.
I thought you were the one who said there was no reason for personal attacks.
I guess haters gotta hate.
TheNate
6:56 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Stephen - do you have any evidence that Wynewoodie goes around knifing shopkeepers? If so, present it. If not, consider how rude it is to libel someone.
Feodor Tiorlenko
10:41 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012
In considering the collapse of Ralph Reed's political dreams, it's tempting to conjure up biblical parables about Jesus instructing his followers in humility by suggesting they go "sit in the lowest place"--or of pride going before a fall. . The next step was launching his own political career in his native Georgia: Reed would be elected Lieutenant Governor this November, then Governor four years hence. After that, his friends said, the White House would be within reach.
Reed used to blame liberals and secularized politicians for treating religious conservatives as uneducated, gullible and easy to lead. He proved that religious voters were a potent force that shouldn't be ignored or condescended to. "People of faith," he once wrote, had become the new "Amos and Andy," and he was determined to push to the center of American politics their "cluster of pro-family issues" so they could attract "a majority of voters." But Reed forgot his own lessons. In the face of incredibly damning evidence, he insisted that he hadn't done anything wrong and that he didn't know he was consorting with a friend nicknamed Casino Jack or taking money from gambling interests. He thought he could convince his base that they shouldn't believe their eyes and ears, that they should trust him instead. In the end, not enough did.
Morgan King
3:34 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Paul J. Mullock and Stephen Eickhoff - you guys might not want to base your arguments on textbook logical fallacies, doing so just makes you look ignorant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
Stephen Lynch
8:35 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
For those who do not support the legalization of same-sex marriages I'd ask - What is it about the union of two people that gives them, in the eyes of the law and society, the same rights and privileges as everyone else that you find objectionable? Until the latter part of the 1900's we outlawed inter-racial unions for essentially the same reason and have since become enlightened enough to correct that error. We allow prisoners in jail who have murdered, raped, and abused children to wed. Why must we establish that same-sex unions are so heinous that they must be specifically outlawed in our supposed "land of the free".
The constitution says that "all men are created equal" ... I don't see the fine print that says "except for (fill in your own personal prejudice here) ...". If your son or daughter were LGBT, would you feel the same way? Honestly?
Remember: there - but for the grace of God - go you.
susan
9:52 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I am the parent of a gay young man. He is a college graduate and contributes to society and we are VERY proud of him. There is nothing I would like to see more than for him to be able to marry the person he loves. What's better (especially in the gay community) than having a monogamus relationship. Love knows no bounds. My son being married to another man has no impact on anyone else's marriage or life. Thank you Mr. President
Stephen Eickhoff
5:46 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Well, since you somehow missed it: marriage is a human ceremony that consecrates a mating union. There are those who see marriage as pointless when it's not two different genders of a species that procreates sexually. To them, gay marriage would be an oxymoron. So there's that. I'm just pointing out the response, so no need for personal attacks.
Wynnewoodie
9:10 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
And in case you missed it, marriage is also a social ceremony in which two people vow their commitment to each other in front of their community. Moreover, this ceremony confers legal rights and privileges on the partners who take these vows.
To my knowledge, no heterosexual couple is ever asked whether they intend to procreate before they are granted a marriage license, and that license (and the rights and privileges it confers) isn't revoked when couples fail to have children or choose not to.
Same sex couples may not be able to have biological children, but they are no less deserving of the opportunity to declare their commitment before their communities, nor any less deserving of the rights and privileges that such declarations afford for heterosexual couples.
Stephen Eickhoff
11:30 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Wynnewoodie, I was answering Stephen Lynch's question. But since you responded, I'll point out that the legal rights and privileges are the main question. This will have a great impact on the economy.
Wynnewoodie
6:49 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Six states have legalized same-sex marriage. Have there been economic consequences? Yes, but they've been beneficial.
Jon Ellis
10:54 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
hear hear stephen well said.
Jim
9:01 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Remember what God did do Sodam. God sure didn,t bless it! American's keep, wondering what have we done, to ourselves to end up such a weak and feeble bunch of Hypocrites. Look how far we have turn away from the Godly Constitution, that is this Countrys life Blood. It was protected by Gods grace. Now this country and it's president has left it wide open for destruction.
nona
9:57 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
god did not write the Constitution.
Brendan Kelly
12:25 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
"Look how far we have turn away from the Godly Constitution, that is this Countrys life Blood. It was protected by Gods grace. "
Realy? Im a catholic, Look at what those priests did. how was gods grace protecting those poor children that were abused? Thats whats destroying our country. Pedophiles being allowed to murder the innocence of children and being protected under the shield of the church.
Morgan King
1:44 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Maybe you should remember that your concept of God is based on thousands of years of mythology, written by humans, that has been edited and reedited countless times to support the claims of different leaders and ideologies, and that using it as the basis for moral grounds (much less legal grounds) is either wildly uniformed or willfully obtuse. The Biblical text, if taken literally, completely buckles under it's own contradictions, which really just leaves you the choice of what teachings you feel like following - will you follow God's commandment 'Thou Shall Not Kill' or will you follow God's orders to kill your enemies, as in Numbers 31? Is it 'an eye for an eye' (Exodus 21:24) or do you 'turn to him the other cheek' (Matthew 5:39)?
If you are going to pick and choose which Biblical commands to follow, might I suggest Matthew 22:39 - 'Love your neighbor as yourself'
Jon Ellis
10:58 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Our founding fathers went to great length to make sure there was a separation from religion and state so I am not sure i understand where god has much to do with the constitution or the premise for your argument. However I do seem to recall the bible saying to trust your government for his will shall be done through them. Not a literal quote but a paraphrase.
Wynnewoodie
9:19 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
And it's pretty audacious for Republican party hacks like Ralph Reed to attack President Obama on flip-flops considering how far Mitt Romney's positions on healthcare and women's reproductive rights have "evolved." (Mitt Romney's epiphanies may be the only form of evolution that Republicans believe in!)
While the LGBT community may have taken issue with the president over the speed with which he advanced legal protections for them, they never had any question where he stood on the subject. The same can't be said for Romney's "evolution (more like devolution) -- he convinced tens of millions of Massachusetts voters that he supported women's reproductive rights and healthcare reform, and now he is trying to convince hundreds of millions of American voters that he believes the opposite.
Seemingly, Mitt Romney's only unshakable conviction is that he wants to be President of the United States. If the past is any indication, he will say anything, regardless of whether he believes it, if he thinks it will help him win.
Stephen Eickhoff
5:49 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
The fact that Mitt Romney may be a flip-flopper does not diminish the fact that Obama is a flip-flopper. In fact, Obama could take the Flip-Flopper trophy away from Arlen Specter the way he first supported gay marriage when running for IL state senator, then only supported civil unions when running for the Senate, then didn't support either as a Presidential candidate, then suddenly decided this week to go whole hog for gay marriage again. It's hard to take that as any less than political pandering.
Wynnewoodie
10:32 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
You obviously don't know the meaning of the word flip-flop. To flip-flop, you have to change from one position to the OPPOSITE position. Changing from support for civil unions to support for full marriage equality for same sex couples is a change of degree, not of kind. One could characterize it as a shift in position, but not a flip-flop. However, when you run for governor vowing to protect women's reproductive rights then run for President saying that Roe v. Wade should be overturned, that's a flip-flop. Disavowing the healthcare reform legislation Romney spearheaded and passed as Governor of Massachusetts and pledging to dismantle the Affordable Healthcare Act, which is largely modeled on Romneycare is a flip-flop of Olympian proportions.
Stephen Eickhoff
11:27 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
He went from one extreme position to another in six years. How quick does it have to be? In one afternoon? And while I am not a Romney fan, he explained that his position is one on states' rights versus the federal government. The fact is that the federal government does not have a right to force people to buy health insurance... but the states do. If progressives wanted to force people to buy health insurance, they would have needed to amend the Constitution like they did when they wanted an income tax without apportionment. But they are impatient, lazy, and power hungry.
Wynnewoodie
6:46 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
As I said, marriage equality and civil union are not "extreme positions" or polar opposites, they are similar to the point of being semantic.
And Romney's position is that States can compel people to buy health insurance but the federal government can't? Leaving us with what? A patchwork solution that doesn't ensure coverage for anyone? The healthcare market is a national market. The whole reason there is an interstate commerce clause is to avoid problems like this.
And to be clear, the Affordable Healthcare Act doesn't force anyone to buy anything. All it does is institute a consequence (a fine) for those who choose not to buy insurance. This is no different than fining drivers who choose not to buy automobile insurance.
As for whether implementing this law requires a change to the Constitution, that still hasn't been decided. Romneycare didn't require an amendment of the Massachusetts constitution, did it? Do you consider Mitt Romney to be lazy, impatient and power hungry, too?
Ike
9:30 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Does this have any thing to do with war , money , jobs? He only did it cause he thnks it will help him win ...Obama,and Mitt should not be the next president.Both are incompetent....Now we as a country will stay in trouble, for there are no others to choose from . Its either what we have now , or Mitt. . God help the USA.
Wynnewoodie
7:34 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
If you think turning around the worst economic crisis in our lifetimes (2 full years of job growth and counting), securing health insurance for 40 million Americans, bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice and finally ending the unnecessary (and expensive!) Iraq war equals incompetence, then which President(s) did you consider competent?
Ronald Reagan? How many jobs were created during his first term in office? Almost none. Unemployment was 7.4% when Reagan took office (2/81), climbed to 10.8% by his second year (11/82) and only just made it back to where he started by November of 1984 (7.2%), yet he was re-elected in a landslide. Obama inherited an economy in much worse shape (not to mention two wars), yet this economy has already created more jobs than were created in Reagan's first term, with 6 more months to go before the election.
Contrast that to George W. Bush, who was re-elected despite turning a budget surplus into a deficit, who failed on 9/11 to protect the US from the worst attack on our soil since Pearl Harbor and who sent our brave fighting men and women to Iraq under false pretenses, costing thousands of American lives.
Anyone who thought George W. Bush deserved a second term should definitely vote for President Obama because by any measure he's done a much better job.
Ike
12:38 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
What . did he really make more jobs??,,Health ins.yea , that a real good one,..Was he the one who really got Osama? OH AND DONT FORGET , ITS STILL BUSHS FAULT.
Reagan ,, what the heck does he have to do with it???
At the end , Obama , might go down as one of the worst presidents ever,,He is the best talker ever , but thats about all i hope not
But now we are stuck with him or Mitt, not very good choices
Wynnewoodie
11:48 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Again, I ask: which president did you think was competent? It's hard to compare records of accomplishment unless you are willing to offer an example of a "competent" president.
Since Obama isn't even the worst President of the 21st century (he's been better than George W. Bush by any measure), there's no way he can be the worst President ever. Frankly, I can't think of a single thing George W. Bush did right.
Roger Ricker
9:49 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
OK, for those of you mentioning "God" and the Bible....Do you remember that Jesus represented love, acceptance, and said quite clearly "Judge not, lest ye be judged"? Or is it convenient to forget that when you wish to point fingers at the gay community, other minorities, or even those who do not practice your religion? It's so bizarre to me that millions of people condemn those whose lifestyles are different from their own, yet they continue practicing things the Bible referred to as 'sin' such as adultery, lust, greed, idolatry, and ---well, just look at the Catholic Priest mess. Is all of that stuff 'OK' because it fits into your comfortable take on what is right and what is wrong? Perhaps we should all just sweep hypocrisy under the rug and just pretend it does not exist....My goodness, what would this world come to if it was understood that heterosexuals do things that are not considered "decent" by the Bible?
Stephen Eickhoff
5:53 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I'm curious as to how you interpreted "Judge not, lest ye be judged" as preventing anyone from discussing moral topics? It's a warning against hypocrisy. After all, Jesus himself called the the religious leaders "brood of vipers" and called out the Samaritan woman the well for sleeping around. Not all of us are hypocrites. Those who are should indeed remove the great beam from their eye before removing the speck from someone elses... but the sins remain whether they are exposed or not.
Erin Marie
6:29 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Here is my Christian POV on "God is love." If you read the Bible, you will see that yes, God is love, but His love is never once separated from His holiness. As for us mere mortals -- there is none righteous, no not one. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. That means me, hat means you, that means ALL. 1 Corinthians says, "Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Do you see yourself in that list? I totally see myself. I see my friends. I see straight and gay people. The issue is not "homosexuality" - the issue is sin. God defines it in His Word. It's not something you can point at someone and say - that guy has a problem. WE ALL have the same problem. Until we get over our pride and see ourselves as God sees us in our natural state we will never understand the depth & scope of His love. Despite our inability to meet His standards, He loved us so much He sent Christ to die to take our eternal punishment on His behalf. That is love.
1 Corinthians continues with "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
By God's grace, through His love for me (and you), I'm reconciled with Him. Ask God to show you. He wants to and He will.
Erin Marie
6:36 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
As a PS to what I just wrote about 'God is love' - being a Christian does not mean I'm a hate-mongering, finger-pointing psychopath looking to judge others. I just believe what God says. I have gay friends. They know I'm a Christian. I stand by God's Word and they know what God says about homosexuality. And lying. And cheating. And stealing. And hating. In fact, God hates "hate." He equates it to murder -- if you hate your brother you've so much as committed murder in your heart.
Crazies like the Westboro nutjobs and others who like to cherry-pick sins and point out the "super bad" ones because they're 'easy' to speak to make all Christians to seem like hate-filled freaks. All sin is super bad.
If you want to know what Christians (should) believe, just read the Bible for yourself. That's all. :-)
TheNate
7:08 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
To be fair, Erin, the translated word for "effeminate" was malakos, derived from Malakia, which actually means cowardice. If the Greeks meant feminine, they would've said "kinaidos."
As for judgement of yourself, friends, and others, I'd encourage you to read three more chapters. Corinthians 4 (KJV: 3. But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.)
So, yeah, judging is God's job.
Erin Marie
9:16 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
TheNate - I wasn't pointing to 'effeminate' = homosexual...it's just in the verse. There are plenty of other verses that speak to homosexuality itself being a sin. And I didn't write that book, God did. I was simply meaning that ALL have the same issue. It doesn't matter if someone is straight or gay...have you ever told a lie? Have you ever taken God's name in vain? I have. And that is sin.
I'm not judging anyone - I'm just trying to point out what the Bible says as a non-hater, who loves everybody and wants them to know how much God loves them. What I typed is prompted by the gay/straight marriage discussion - but is not ABOUT the gay/straight issue. I hope everyone sees that distinction.
Marc L.
9:23 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
@Erin Marie
Um....God didn't write the Bible. The Bible was written by men who were passing along the Word of God.
Roger Ricker
9:34 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Actually "Judge not, lest ye be judged" refers to the fact that man alone is not the final judge. For we are all equal. God is the final judge in the world of Christianity. And there are gay Christians, just as there are straight Christians.
Cindy Grant
10:58 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Amen for tolerence, love, acceptance, patience, and not being judgemental.
Wynnewoodie
11:05 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Polling on marriage equality is generational, so it is inevitable that this will happen eventually. Unfortunately, there are still enough people like Jim out there who will blithely subvert the constitution and deny American citizens equal protection under the law based on superstitious nonsense.
Unlike the 1960s, where a progressive Warren court was a catalyst for racial justice, we have the Roberts court, which is reactionary. If this election turns out to be a referendum on LGBT civil rights and Mitt (George Wallace) Romney is elected, he and his allies in congress and on the supreme court will set the cause of social justice and equality back for a generation.
I guarantee you that Jim and his ilk will vote their predjudices. If you believe in freedom and equality for all Americans, this November is the time to stand up and be counted. PLEASE VOTE!
Stephen Eickhoff
5:58 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Anyone who demands equal protection under the law should call for the ability of government to control marriage at all to be removed. Why should we allow them any say in who gets married, and when? Abolish marriage licenses. While you're at it, we have to remove the special protections afforded by affirmative action. Preference is preference.
Progressives starting calling themselves "liberals" in the past to pretend that they wanted to protect the inalienable rights of human beings, when in fact they wanted the state to control society.
Paul J. Mullock
7:23 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I certainly remember when the leftists were crowing that the U.S. defeat was inevitable. So who's on the ashheap of history now?
Wynnewoodie
10:46 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I honestly have no idea who or what you're talking about. Care to provide some evidence to support your opinions or actual quotes from real people?
Erin Marie
9:14 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
I totally agree with that, Michael. God says in His Word that divorce is also wrong. So is lying. So is worrying. So is cheating. So is being prideful. I'm a Christian but it bothers me that so many "pick on" the "easy" things to target. That's why in my posts above I wasn't talking about homosexuality, but the *whole* of sin. Does God say homosexuality is a sin - yes, I believe He does. But does He say other things we all do everyday also are? Yes, He does. The deal is we *can't* meet His holy standards though we're commanded to "be ye holy, for I am holy" but He sent Christ to be the propitiation for our sin. 'And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.' John 8:32. It's for *everybody* - not just groups people like to point fingers at.
I hate politics and if it were up to me there would be no law either way on the issue. Government shouldn't legislate morality (for the most part). I totally agree, if marriage was so sacred to Christians they would not get divorced. It comes off as hypocrisy, esp. when a loudmouth like Rush Limbaugh is all over the place and he's had something like 4 wives.
I hate politics. I love the Lord. I just wanted to try to illustrate how deep His love is for ALL, gay/straight/whatever. I'm not perfect, you're not perfect, gay people aren't perfect, straight people aren't perfect. We all need a Savior.
Moe
11:32 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Obama just continues the degeneration of this country.
cast4
12:47 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Nice Fox News talking point.
J513
1:15 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Really, Moe? What exactly do you mean? What "degeneration" are you talking about? How is it impacting your life? I live in this country too and all I see around me are the lingering effects of drastic mistakes made by the previous Administration. I see an intelligent man in the White House doing the best he can. He isn't perfect but he has a track record of caring about people, and he's smarter than you and he's smarter than me and I think it's a good idea to put smart people in charge of things.
One more question: how does allowing two people who love each other to make a legal commitment to each other equate to any kind of "degeneration"? We're talking about love, Moe. Open your eyes, and your mind. Why does someone else's desire have anything to do with you? Why does it bother you? Why is this "degeneration"?
Wynnewoodie
7:37 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Anyone who thinks increasing freedom and equality for American citizens is a sign of degeneration obviously does not understand or believe in the principles upon which this country was founded.
Lea Thomas
1:44 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Obama's support of gay rights shows nothing more than his support of equality for ALL people. Ignorance and intolerance are truly degenerate. Everyone should have equal access to love and commitment at least legally. Churches can do as they please as far as I am concerned. If a church does not allow the same rights to all people, it lets me know who they are, and I'm happy not to join it. Gay marriage can't undermine the sanctity of my marriage - only I can do that by my conduct within my marriage.
Jesus doesn't say anything about gays anyway. It's a line in Leviticus and wasn't even worthy of inclusion in the 10 Commandments. And yet, many bible thumping gay haters violate the Top 10 on a daily basis.
Jim
1:53 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Now this Country has to collectively reap the curse of are own President. It's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. A Marraige is one Man and one Woman and is lovingly expressed with the beauty of two becoming one flesh, a Child. Try having a baby gay man and woman. It will never happen,because Homo sexuals are cursed, and will always live under the curse and not the blessing, a baby!
cast4
2:22 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
So I take it you're a member of Westboro,right?
Lea Thomas
3:29 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
There are waaaaayyyyy to many heteros "blessed" with babies who don't deserve them or take care of them. Good partnerships are inspiring whether gay, straight, or hell, even business! Someone else's marriage in no way endangers or sanctifies mine. I have no problem with a church making its own rules - people can leave it and join one that follows their belief patterns. You, for example, can join a church that will not conduct gay marriages. Fine.
Realist
3:46 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
What about the countless married couples who can’t conceive are they somehow cursed by god?
Do you eat shellfish? Do you wear mixed blends? Do you have sideburns that are curled and go down to your chin? It amazes me how people can stand so strong on one passage and disavow others.
Marc L.
3:52 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Or people like my wife and I who COULD conceive but don't want children. Is our marriage a sham? I'd feel (personally) more cursed by God if I DID have a child. Being childfree for me is a blessing, not the other way around. Your statement only rings true for those who not only share your religious belief but also share your feelings that a child is a blessing.
Charlie D.
2:24 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I love all the pro & con comments that try to tie their position back to the bible. Apparently none of you remember one of the most basic principle's of the bible; that all humans are sinners. Now let's get away from this diversion and back to what's really important to this country: the economy, jobs, and solutions to our debt issues (locally & nationally)!
cast4
2:46 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Agree completely. Trying to improve the job situation and the economy should be more important then spending the time to pass an amendment for something that won't create jobs or improve the economy. You've got to love social conservatives. They want big gov't out of their financial life but they want it in people's social lives. Not very conservative it seems.
Lea Thomas
3:36 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
The President supporting gay marriage rights is just a statement supporting civil rights. It's not his platform per se. In general, I wish the GOP and Dems would work together on objective issues such as the economy, debt relief, defense, education, budget and infrastructure. I won't vote GOP because I don't want to live in a theocracy invested in private decisions. None of my Dem friends are bleeding heart liberals or believe in handing out cash to programs willynilly. They are just able to vote for interests above their own, and would love to work in a bipartisan fashion to address economic issues. I wish both sides would do the same.
Stephen Eickhoff
6:00 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Pointing out that everyone's a sinner when there is a debate just means we have to allow everything. I don't think most of us are ready to be that permissive, are we? After all, most of the folks who support gay marriage still support progressive policies like affirmative action, which by definition gives preference to some by taking it away from others.
will ball
2:30 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
What a terrible and pointless discussion. Nobody is going to convert anyone because of a post on a public forum.
I will say two things about the matter. First, Obama's stance will polarize voters (even more so than he's done already). Secondly, I personally believe that same sex marriage should be a state decision, not a federal one. But that's just my opinion.
Lea Thomas
3:24 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Why should a civil rights issue be state decision? There are things better left to the states, but civil rights? No.
Realist
3:43 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Gee, just like interracial marriage was?
will ball
3:58 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Thank you Lea and "Realist" for proving my point. You try to find a plausible solution for both sides of the debate and you end up pleasing no one.
Marc L.
2:58 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I find it comical that people like Rush Limbaugh complain that President Obama is declaring a war on marriage when Limbaugh was married...what, four times? He has done more damage to the meaning of marriage than any loving gay couple. I say let them have the right to marry and let them have every single benefit to being married that my wife and I have. They deserve it because the love between two human beings of consenting age isn't any different when it's between a man & a woman, between a man & a man or between a woman & a woman. I applaud President Obama for having the decency to change his mind from his earlier remarks on the matter and the smarts to come out in favor of it. I've said this in the past, but this is a CIVIL RIGHT issue going head to head with a RELIGIOUS BELIEF and a right will always trump a belief in my book.
Roger Ricker
9:35 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Amen and Amen to this by Marc Lombardi.
Renee
2:58 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Wow! I was living under the misconception that U.S. Citizens were an informed and savvy lot who could see through the veil that all politicians wear like a badge of honor. Politicians will say whatever it takes to garner the votes- left and right. This week they picked the Gay and Lesbian vote out of a hat and have run with it. And the media, the jackals that they are, have jumped on it with the usual intent of creating yet another firestorm. In the meantime, the economy is still in the tank, people are still out of work, "For Rent" signs are hanging in windows where small businesses should be, oh and let us not forget the misunderstood Islamic terrorists who are plotting and planning more undetectable ways to make the "Friendly Skies" a death trap, which I'm sure they'll figure out since we give them a blueprint of everything we're doing anyway.
In a nutshell, most Politicians really don't give a flying fig what we the public want or need, it's all a power play. For the few who do really have the country's best interest at heart - God speed. But don't believe everything you hear on the tube or in the press, 'cause tomorrow it's on to something else....and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
Marc L.
3:08 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
So it's the media's fault that people care about same sex marriage? You want to help the economy? Here's an idea -- how much money do you think would be spent in local businesses (flower shops, tux rentals, bridal boutiques, reception halls, limousine services, travel/airfare, hotels) if across the USA there were suddenly millions of people who weren't "allowed" to get married suddenly able to make their love for one another official with a marriage and a wedding? You may think that gay marriage is just a social issue, but it's certainly something with a heck of an economic impact behind it.
Stephen Eickhoff
6:01 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
You don't have to actually get married to have a wedding.
Marc L.
7:22 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
You don't have to go skydiving to wear a parachute, either, but it sure makes a heck of a lot more sense.
Ike
4:06 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
What some do is their buzz.BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE SAID JUST FOR THE ELECTION.....Why did Obama flip now???? Maybe cause Mitt is on the other side??? BOTH OF THEM ARE NO GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY...LOOK AT IT NOW...... DO ANYONE WANT OBAMA BACK TO COTINUE,,AND DOES ANYBODY WANT MITT TO TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER ... WE ARE SCREWED. BOTH ARE NOT COMPETENT TO RUN THIS ONCE GREAT COUNTRY . WHO??? I DONT KNOW .. BUT WE NEED SOMEONE TO GET US BACK ON TOP....THIS GAY THING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.
WILL IT MAKE MORE JOBS ..WILL IT HELP WITH THE NUTS WHO TRY TO KILL US ?? WILL IT PUT THE CROOKS AT WALL ST IN JAIL ?? WELL NO ONE WIL DO THAT ....NIXON WAS BETTER THAN THESE TWO ...... GOD HELP THE USA
Jimmy the Greek
4:21 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
????
David Curran
4:23 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
If you are worried about jobs your best choice would be Obama. Romneys ideas are not substantially different than Bush's, which clearly did not work. But do not listen to me- look at the actual numbers and charts that illustrate this. Check how many jobs were lost in the last part of the Bush administration. All easily found via google
Tom Bartman
5:55 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Obama has yet to net a single job. Step away from ABC news every now and then.
Stephen Eickhoff
6:03 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I seem to remember a recession at the beginning of W's first term that ran its course in a reasonable amount of time. Obama's had 3.5 years to fix the mess, and yet we still blame it on Bush. It's not all on him, but he hasn't helped either. I wish that people could look at the data without reading their own ideology into it.
Ike
7:15 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
TOM B . YOU ARE SO RIGHT. THE UNEMPLOTMENT RATE IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THEY SAY , AND NOW THEY SAY IT WENT DOWN ,, YEA SURE IT DID.. AND THE JOBS THAT ARE THERE ARE JOBS THAT TEENAGERS USED TO DO , OR THE JOBS PAY LIKE THE JOBS THE TEENS USED TO DO .
HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT YOURSELF LET UNLONE A FAMILY ON $9.00 HR WITH NO BENNIES ..
YOUR BETTER OFF GOIN ON WELFARE ,, THEY PAID YOUR RENT ,,FOOD , AND HAVE THE BEST HEALTH INS.............
Wynnewoodie
10:49 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
What data are you talking about? According to the National Board of Labor Statistics, unemployment is lower now than when Obama took office (8.0% now, 8.3% on 1/20/09). Do you remember the fall of 2008? The economy was in full melt-down. It took Obama a year to halt the destruction that Bush's foolish economic policies wrought, but there has been net job growth now for two solid years. In fact, Obama has already created more jobs in his first term than Reagan did, and he's still got six months to go!
If you want to talk data, present it and reference your sources!
Jimmy the Greek
4:24 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I'm looking forward to wed my goat, what is next?
Renee
4:58 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Hey Jimmy, I'm with Ike, you leave that poor goat alone. This isn't a "Nanny' State....yet!?
cast4
5:08 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I do think a goat is going a little too far. Just my opinion.
Stephen Eickhoff
6:05 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
A goat is a slippery slope. But I do wonder whether this debate should open questions as to whether two people who have no romantic attraction to one another should be allowed to marry to get the benefits. How about brother and sister, so the unemployed sister can get her brother's health benefits?
Wynnewoodie
6:58 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
The one clear definition of marriage is that it must be between CONSENTING ADULTS. So all the hackneyed, slippery slope objections to same-sex marriage (what's next? man on child? man on dog? etc) are moot. Children are not capable of consent. Neither are animals.
FWIW, these are the same (stupid) arguments that were raised in support of bans on inter-racial marriage.
TheNate
7:17 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Yep. It's just like how after African-Americans got the right to drink from the same fountains as whites and had legal recourse for discrimination, soon every other mammal species got that right too. Then the reptiles. Then the ...
Now we have alligators roaming the streets, goldfish working as sports announcers, and an ursine-American running for president with the "Just Right" party. Our schools are literal zoos. And all because of the slippery slope created by civil rights legislation sixty years ago.
Yep, ending discrimination against a group of people truly made things worse for everyone, because no one had sense of when to stop. At least that's how it worked in my alternate universe, where your logic applies.
Joseph
4:26 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
A homosexual marriage wont be recognized by God because it is a sin according to his word. But God doesn't interfere with free will, so a person can choose to do and be whatever he wants in this life. If you want to be gay, keep in mind you wont be excepted by God because there is no place in his kingdom for such acts of any act of sin according to his word and we all will be judge according to the scriptures by the scriptures.
Roger Ricker
5:11 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
So then if you go by the Bible, and I mean completely by the Bible, here are those who will not get into Heaven: men who lust (and lust is defined by simply looking at another woman if one is married; so anyone who looks at porn); men who gamble; men who divorce their wife and marry another woman; women who divorce their husbands and marry another man; those who do not assist the poor; those who do not adhere to 'love thy neighbor as thyself'; those who hold anger towards their brother; those who steal; those who cannot forgive, etc. ....so looks like Heaven will be EMPTY in that case, right?
Interesting how gay people get all the uproar, but what about those who have divorced and remarried who are heterosexual? The Bible says you won't go to Heaven, because that in itself is a sin. So....gee...not many people in Heaven under these terms, are there?
Stephen Eickhoff
6:06 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
We have all sinned, and fall short of the glory of God.
Ike
4:38 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Ask Obamama and Mitt,, iam sure if it would help them in the election , they would be all for it......BUT really ,, leave that poor goat alone. She deserves a REAL BILLY of a goat.......
Jimmy , HOW do you feel about horses??
Who gonna win the PREAKNESS???
Joey
5:03 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Joseph In that case ? If there be a hell below we all gonna go
Joseph
5:09 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Joey, Christ came and made a way for us to escape torment, to repent and be baptize for the remission of your sins
Bill Nut
7:59 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
hey Joseph, keep your religon in your damn house and place of worship, that **** dosen't belong in politics.
Joseph
5:19 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Roger, the scriptures say
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Matthew 7:13-14.
Mike Shortall
5:20 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I would have been much more impressed had President Obama said this THREE YEARS AGO, and not as a political ploy in an election year. It's especially disconcerting that he waits until the DAY BEFORE an appearance among the Hollywood glitterati for HUGE political fund raiser organized by George Clooney.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/george-clooney-neighbors-brace-for-obama-fundraiser.html
There is absolutely no leadership here. Obama even had Joe Biden stick his neck out first before jumping in! This has politics written all over it. And is no more a morals declaration than it is an obvious pandering to The Left.
I guess there are no solutions for the economy coming out of The White House, so they have to play this shell game to keep us all - or at least some of us - distracted..
Stephen Eickhoff
6:07 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Agreed. Forget the issue at hand; I have a problem with the political posturing.
Wynnewoodie
9:36 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Remind me again, which party was responsible for getting the gay marriage ban on the North Carolina primary ballot?
patrick
9:49 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Don't you just hate it when the dems have a better strategy than the republicans. Thank-you tea-bag (love the homosexual innuendo) party for setting the republicans back 10 years; and thanks to Bush for giving us the chance to elect the first black or female prez. Republican now equates to uneducated or sub-intelligent. Proven here, just read on.
Chris Butler
5:22 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
All this mention of God and the Constitution. Seems we have forgotten that both the Constitution and the Bible were written by men, not God.
Joseph
5:39 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
God chose prophets to deliver his word to the people that things were to come and those things happen, those documents were recorded for the sake that we recognize that God is thee creator of all the universe,earth humanity and with God's creation comes instruction (bible) on how to live in his creation...in the same way he gave us the ability create our technology with instruction on how to operate our creation...its like buying a new T,V created by sony, how would u know how to use it..u would look at the instruction that comes with the T,V on how to use it...THINK ABOUT IT
Stephen Eickhoff
6:08 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I don't accept your premise that the Bible was written by men.
Roger Ricker
9:38 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
And both have been changed over time. There are many, many versions of the Bible now, some which do not refer to God as "He", some which translate words differently, etc. Good point.
Joey
5:33 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Your religious beliefs have nothing to do with others civil rights. Get over it.
Joseph
5:47 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
but we have to look at the bigger picture...these things are gonna go on regardless because the world is in turmoil and i am considerate of people souls regardless if they in the wrong
Jim
5:35 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
The ten Commandments were written by God, as well as the rest of the Bible. The Laws of the United States Constitution is a mirrior image of the ten Commandments
Wynnewoodie
9:54 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Really? Where'd you get that idea? Let's examine that.
1) "You shall have no other gods before me"? Nope. Actually, the first amendment of the constitution says exactly the opposite: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
2) "You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them."? No -- direct conflict with the 1st amendment of the constitution: "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech (expression)."
3) "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain"? No again! Pesky 1st amendment: (ibid)
4) "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy."? Nope. Not in the US Constitution. Perhaps you're thinking of some other county's constitution?
5) "Honor your father and your mother"? Nice sentiment, but not in the US Constitution.
6) "You shall not murder"? Bingo. The 5th amendment says "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."
7) "You shall not commit adultery"? Hah! No.
8) "You shall not steal"? I'll give you that one, too (5th amendment).
9) "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"? Certainly illegal (perjury), but unconstitutional?
Wynnewoodie
9:54 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
10) "You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s"? Sorry, not in the US Constitution either.
So for those of you who are keeping score, maybe 2/10 in common. Pretty hard to argue the US Constitution as a mirror image of the 10 commandments when you actually sit down and think about it rather than just swallowing what someone else is spewing.
TheNate
7:19 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Which version of the Ten Commandments? There are at least three:
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/Bible%20Studies/10%20Commandments.htm
Also, there's nothing in them against homosexuals.
Tom Bartman
5:36 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Like THIS is a priority right now???? We have a real unemployment rate of 14.5% and we're concerned about gay marriage? It is mind numbing.
Matt
5:50 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
word.
Joey
5:45 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Jim why did they kill all the Indians and steal their land, lets not even get into slavery
Jim
5:48 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
It will get higher with this President. Let see what type of disgusting behavior he endorses next?
Wynnewoodie
8:14 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
The only disgusting behavior I see is misreading the Bible and the Constitution to justify bigotry, tainting both the Bible and the Constitution in the process.
Roger Ricker
5:50 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
The Media Theatre happens to be the only professional theatre in the Philly region maintained and managed and run by a married gay couple.
Jim
5:59 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
So I quess Roger you and the people that own the MediaTheatre like show tunes?
Sue
8:34 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Jim what show tunes do you like? Sabbath prayer from Fiddler on the Roof? or maybe tunes from godspell or Jesus Christ Superstar. Shout hallelujah come on get happy is a good one as ;is Follow the Fold and Stray no more from Guys and Dolls.
Roger Ricker
9:31 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Jim, Your comment is one of the problems we have in this country. You assume that 'gay people like show tunes' and 'all theatre people are gay' and 'show tunes are for gays', etc. OPEN YOUR MIND. Everyone that buys a ticket to the theatre is not gay; in fact , most of the audience is not gay. But they enjoy thought-provoking, and sometimes just entertaining theatre. And in answer to your question: Yes, those of us who run and manage the theatre enjoy Broadway music because it is our career of choice. We would not do it if we did not like it.
But your stereotypical response is the problem with this entire issue.
Did you know that many professional sports players, including football players, are gay? Did you know that many gay people enjoy sports and not just musicals? How about the fact that many heterosexual males are wonderful cooks or single parents who know how to, and take the time to, clean their house and wash their dishes, taking on the tasks that have been deemed 'for the woman'? One of my greatest pet peeves is seeing a man treat his wife like she is his slave....There is no reason why a man cannot iron clothes, change the baby's diapers, etc....But tasks, hobbies, and careers do not make a person gay or straight.
Tom Bartman
5:59 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I think we should spend more time on this topic because gay marriage is more important than the economy, the troops overseas, the nation on the brink of fiscal collapse and the rapid acceleration of China and Russia's armed forces.
Sue
9:09 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Not more important but a whole less scary it's just so gay!!!
Joseph
6:10 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
i like what Ron Paul has to bring to the table...and he been a man of hSs word and been saying the same thing for 30 years plus...End the federal reserve, down size government, stop these silly wars and if war declare it with congress, cut the budget debt by 1 trillion in the first year...i rather vote for Ron Paul 2012
Jim
6:23 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Homo sexuality has everthing to do with the economy Tom B. Rome was reduced to to a heap of dung because of all thier sins. The Barbarions walk in and took it without a fight.
Ike
7:16 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
IF YOU REALLY THNK ABOUT IT , THIS IS SICK.
Bill Nut
7:57 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
how?
Tom Bartman
8:18 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
The only thing this does is further divide the country. He is the first president to endorse the stance after not supporting it. He has divided the nation unlike any other president in the history of America and you nobody can argue that. Those who bought into hope and change have been duped.
Wynnewoodie
9:58 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Tom, you're kidding, right? C'mon! Remember a little thing called the Civil War?
TheNate
7:20 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
IF YOU REALLY THNK ABOUT IT, you need to use your "i" and turn off the caps lock key.
Bill Nut
4:16 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
they're alot of homophobes here. Did gays vote on YOUR marriage?
Joseph
8:17 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Bill nut i am in my own home with freedom of speech and i wont shut up about my God i will continue to spread his word...so if you wanna persecute me i am willing to face it...maybe you dont want the truth...politicians should to have moral standards when dealing with affairs of millions of people and if they dont we gonna call them on it as we should
cast4
8:34 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
How is what he said immoral? It is because it doesn't conform with your thinking?
Bill Nut
9:55 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Moral standards have nothing to do with religon. Religon is outdated and its supporters are in denial.
TheNate
9:01 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Who's persecuting you? You have your freedom of speech, we have ours. Ditto freedom of religion. Disagreement is not persecution.
Joseph
8:49 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Cast4, do u really need me to answer that?
cast4
10:24 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
yes
Jim
8:55 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Is not a way of thinking cast4. It's the hidden law that pertains to every single person that is born into this world. I think the President woke up today and wished he could take back what he said. I know he is worried about being re elected and probaby said what he said, for votes, and to make people want to like him. But God does not want us to be popular, he wants us to uphold his laws.
Sue
9:21 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Hey Jim will god let people who are born male and female into heaven? What are his hidden laws on that?
justwondering
9:00 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
If you want to be gay, keep in mind you wont be excepted by God because there is no place in his kingdom for such acts of any act of sin ........Oh, Joseph, thank you for this because I can assure that NOTHING makes me happier than to know that I will not spend eternity with the likes of you....
Joseph
10:25 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
LOL!! u dont even know me...
justwondering
9:10 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Oh and I left your grammatical error in ..............Joseph - My Higher Power loves and accepts all of us, even you!
will ball
9:30 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Y'all be posting in a trolling thread.
Seriously people, you're just egging each other on.
justwondering
9:49 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Spirited discussion of important issues is not TROLLING......it is part of what makes America work...............you are free to leave at any time. Right?
will ball
10:38 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
justwondering, for your sake, I hope you're trolling.
Sue
9:58 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Haters gonna hate then trollers gonna troll
Joe Koenig
4:49 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Where did all these posters, both sides crawl out of. (sorry for ending a sentence w/ a preposition). I don't recognize any of these names. Just wondering if both sides have posters crawling out from under rocks. You can have a civil discussion and disagree without being satan or being a homophobe. This does not even come close to the civil rights argument of blacks and slavery. While polls show the country is split 50/50 on gay marriage, the fact is that when put to a referendum, gay marriage is soundly defeated. I do understand that popular opinion does not make an issue or those supporting it correct. In this age of incrementalism, civil unions make sense. Ultimately the culture will accept gay marriage, that is the reality of our culture.
Golden Cockroach
7:09 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
You may or may not approve of some of the things that some people do in private or in voluntary relations, but whatever your own code of personal moral conduct is, mind your own relationships, and don't try to ban any private or voluntary activities - as long as they bring no harm to others - by the use of force, including the force of religious or government intervention or approval.
Ron Paul says it best: http://ronpaulflix.com/2012/05/ron-paul-on-fox-on-obamas-gay-marriage-statement-may-9-2012/
Charlie D.
10:06 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
And while all of you get lathered-up over this one topic, hardly any of you demonstrate any concern over our local school board and township budget increases & financial woes.
Wynnewoodie
11:43 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
speak for yourself.
Sandy Olszta
11:20 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
To all who commented on here who do not agree with gays being able to Marry? Really? This is what you choose to get upset about? This is where you will draw the line, so to speak. Have you actually been keeping up on any other world news? It kills me that this subject will raise so many opinions and blogs and comments, why? Does a gay marriage effect you in any way shape or form? The answer has to be NO. So why would you care? Why do any of you think this is your business or for that matter that anyone cares what your views are. A gay couple can buy a house together, adopt a child, but Marry?? Hell no.... Does that make any sense at all. Oh, you don't mind the millions of children especially here in Norristown who spit out kids like they are on an assembly line do you? That is an issue that needs to be addressed. I am a white women, if I wanted to marry a black man, no problem. But two women, OMG you people go into a panic as if they are aliens who will soon take over the world. They are people for god's sake. Those of you on here on speak out against gay marriage will feel much different should the subject hit close to home. I have a nephew who is gay and I couldn't be more proud of him. I will gladly attend his wedding should he find the right man. Instead of wasting your energy on something that doesn't directly or indirectly effect you, try researching what does and then share your views. I applaud the President and he has my vote for sure.
Jim
11:27 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Maybe you haven't been paying attention roach coach. HomoSexual's conduct effects us all in the United States, as well as many other places in the world. In Agentina gay Marriage became law 2 years ago.Any adult that wants sex change surgery or hormone therapy in Argentina will be done by public funded money. This will happen in America when Gay Marriage is recogized by the U.S. Supreme Court. Not only does the local goverment in Havertown do as they please, the Federal goverment will do the same with our money. This is the fruit that gay marriage will yeild. Part of the Homo sexual curse, that wil be paid out to the whole nation.
Joseph Finnick
11:29 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Ugh... you give a bad name to fanatics.
Sandy Olszta
12:15 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
How old are you? 12? The United States barely gives medial insurance to those with deadly conditions. If your whole argument is based on what goes on in Argentina, then you belong there, since you don't seem to know a damn thing about this country. The FREE country, but we will tell you who you can marry. Come on, get a clue, read a news paper or go back to the rock you live under. This country does not need another idiot with views that make no damn sense. I hope you have a child who someday comes home and says "guess what" Dumb ass
Jim
11:58 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
I call sodomy disgusting and fanatical.
Joseph Finnick
11:59 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Then you need a dictionary.
Joey
7:06 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Maybe your doing it wrong you need to take your head out
Blind Dog
12:49 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
All of the closed-minded people in here making their idiotic uninformed comments are what's wrong with America today, not gay marriage. I mind my own business so mind your own. I don't jam my beliefs down your throat, so don't jam yours down mine. I respect your views & opinions even though I may not agree, so do the same for me & we'll all get along just fine. Be thankful you live in America, or get out.
Jim
2:07 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
I wouldn't be America Blind dog if it wasn't found and moulded on principals. Freedom isn't what we want to do, it's what we ought to do. Gay marriage is not what I call living free.
Blind Dog
2:36 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Good for you. Check out the poll results at the top of the page. You just keep being you, Jim. Personally, as long as what straight or gay people do does not infringe on my quality of life, I don't care what they do. But that's just me, and you are Jim, who is not me.
Johan
2:12 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Every politician should take notice of Obama's genious! When you are going to flip flop on an issue call it an evolution. Love the media fawning over the President now! Especially when it was the media that forced his hand. It's about time Obama grew a set and said what he believes. If he had any character he would have said what he did a long time ago.
I'm a Republican and I support Homosexual Marraige. My party is on the wrong side of the issue.
Mike Shortall
5:14 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Yes, I would have been much more impressed with President Obama's "evolution" had it happened three years ago, instead of being a convenient diversion from the crappy economic conditions and a monetary boost to his campaign. (See the George Clooney fund raiser the day immediately after Obama completely evolved.)
pat polichetti
2:17 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Obama (and Romney and all the rest of them) are ALL about politics. It doesn't matter how I feel about same sex marriages/unions or whatever you want to call them. The point is, they made this announcement for POLITICAL purposes. And ONLY political purposes. I'm not saying he doesn't mean what he said. I'm saying its all a matter of timing.
Not unique to this presidential election. But people do have SHORT memories. All the politicos care about is THEMSELVES and how they can manage to line their pockets for another term. All parties, all candidates.
Mike Shortall
5:16 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
I find it interesting that so many are lauding The President for finally stating what everyone KNEW he believed when it suited his political purposes. Yet no one wonders why he didn;t step forward when so many states - such as Califronia - voted AGAINST same sex marraige.
Where was the social leadership??? No social leadership, no economic leadership ...
Laura S
2:52 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
I hate politics.
Matt
3:42 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
140 comments on this story, and barely any elsewhere. You religious fanatics and LGBT advocates ought to just leave each other alone. Christians...mind your own goddamn business. LGBT, there are currently, in the United States, communists vandalizing banks and smashing store windows. What you are asking for causes no quantifiable damage. Why are you too cowardly to just check the "married-filing jointly" box on your tax return? Civil disobedience isn't about running your mouths' trying to coerce and shame people who disagree with you to fall in line. It's about behaving according to your own conscience. If you don't have the spine to just up and take what you claim is yours, then it never was yours in the first place and you're waiting for mommy state to tell you it's ok to have a cookie.
What the hell, right...they can't audit all of you.
Tom Bartman
7:57 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Since O' endorsed gay marriage, Romney widened his lead to 7 points. How did that work out for ya O'?
Jim
9:05 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Blinded Dog, who cares about polls. This is about Freedom. Wait until your tax money starts to fund gay's sex change operations. You won't care about that either. Grow a set and be a man instead of some wimpy milk toast.
Blind Dog
9:39 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
You're funny Jim. Just keep being what you are and good luck with that. I wish you well in your fight. Whatever you represent, you're good at it. I will wave my white flag of surrender and bow down to your supreme knowledge of freedom, moral standards & ethics. I will accept this defeat & learn from it & hope to become a better American from the lesson you have taught me. Thank you, sir.
Tom Bartman
5:41 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Growing a set and being a man is standing up for what you believe in, not supporting something because it is "popular" or may offend people.
Jim
1:39 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Hey nowood, last time I checked Murder, stealing, lying under oath (perjury) and sodamy where crimes. Sodamy is still on the books in most states, it's just not inforced. Homo sexuals have cursed the general population with the aids scrouge. If the goverment gives Homo Sexuals the right to marry, the H.I.V. virus will increase. Does that help you out nowoodie as to how Homo Sexuals hurt everbody. Do you have anymore amendments you want to recite nowoodie?
Wynnewoodie
12:04 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
What you said was "The Laws of the United States Constitution is a mirrior image of the ten Commandments." You didn't say "Laws in the US." I even gave you murder and theft, because you can stretch the 5th amendment to cover those, and I pointed out that perjury is illegal but not unconstitutional.
I hope you're aware that "Thou shalt not commit sodomy" is NOT one of the ten commandments.
Do you get this worked up about adultery? That actually is one of the Ten Commandments (#7).
Karl
8:57 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
If Romney's a flip-flopper, the Obama does handsprings. His evolving view makes him weathervane- will this position benefit me?- and it's merely a distraction from the real issues we face and a fund raiser to boot.
I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages. (1996)
What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman. (2004)
I believe marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it’s also a sacred union. (2008)
My feelings about this are constantly evolving. I struggle with this. (2010)
I think same sex couples should be able to get married. (2012
Sandy Olszta
9:29 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
I am still amazed at the banter that is going back and fourth on this issue. With all the other things that you could speak your mind on, let's see, drugs, crime, global warming, child neglect, school bus accidents, children being touched by teachers or school staff, pipe bombs being made in home, Our country's economy, Our troops being killed. But gay marriage, that is where most draw the line. Really? Find a cause worth fighting, this is crazy. If you are not gay - then its really not your business anyway. Get over it, move on and find something else to bitch about.
Jim
10:10 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Sandy you called me idiot a dumb ass and somebody that crawled out from under a rock, which shows your inability to defend your pro gay view. Then you question my reaction, as to what I would do if one of my children revealed to me that they were a homosexual. You have a lot of mouth, and anger towards the truth. Kill the babies and save the whales Sandy . Gay marriage is worh fighting agaist. It destroyed cultures before, and if you think it can't destroy America then your the idiot that's been living under a rock.
Joey
11:12 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Homophobia, The fear of love for members of their own sex and therefore the hatred of those feeling in others.. the belief in the inherent superiorty of one pattern of loving and its right to dominance
Sandy Olszta
10:38 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Really? Baby killing v. saving the whales? You have no idea what it is you are even fighting for. Let me ask you a question? How does gay marriage directly or indirectly effect you? I agree with you on one point, I do have a lot of mouth, however, I also have the sense to know when to use it. If a gay couple can buy a house and adopt a child why can't they marry? When a couple decides to Marry they do so to show their love and commitment in front of all their family and friends, are you saying that only men and women should have this right? Most gays are so fearful of coming out, because of closed minded people, I think that is wrong. You are who you are, like it or not and in this country, the land of the free, nobody should have to live undercover for fear of people like yourself. If you want to be against it, that is your right, but to fight against it to the point where you push your views on everyone and hurt the people you don't even know doesn't make you an idiot, I apologize for that, it makes you much worse...... Go find a cause worth fighting. Though you never did answer the question. Would you feel this strongly if one of your children were gay? You can't answer that because you are too busy fighting a cause that doesn't even concern you. Once again I will tell you to get a clue, find a cause and then reply to me when you are smart enough to hold some ground, because on this issue you are out of touch.....
Bruce Good
3:35 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
The editor needs to go through all these posts and take out all those which contain obscenities, profanity and name-calling. That's what folks usually do when they can't win on the issues, but the editing should be done just because the remarks are inappropriate. 'Free speech' should not be license to be publicly crude and childish.
justwondering
4:20 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Bruce - being offended is a consequence of free speech...........Please do not ever, ever suggest that anyone be censored......You have the ability to simply stop reading. Part of what makes us a great nation is this very right.
Sandy Olszta
4:28 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
I agree with Just wondering: It frustrates me that some want these deleted if it doesn't agree with their views. Freedom of speech is for all and if you don't like what is being said, don't read it..... Well said Just Wondering, well said.....
Jim
4:50 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
It affects me and everbody else in this country, as to who we are, and what we have become. One Nation under God with liberty and Justice for all. The Marriage deduction and Married Morgage deduction tax is only for Adam and Eve not Adam and Eve. Not only will gay Marriage break the American tax base, it will also cause Aids,to run rabid. Children in grammer school will have learning problems and the dropout rate will increase a hundred fold. We will be left with a bunch of dummies . God will not be mocked. God destroyed sodam to a ash heap, and even destroyed the Hetro Sexuals that agreed with the Homo Sexuals. Aids has spread to the general population because of the Homo Sexuals unwholesome desire for the same sex. Sandy you asked me how would I fell if one of my children told me they were gay? I would be very hurt,but if they told me they had aids I would be devastated! Does that give you a clear picture as to how gay Marriage would directly affect my life? . I have children, and if one of them was gay I would love him just the same if they were straight,but I would not agree with them laying with the same sex and would not go to thier wedding. I just answered your questions, the one you said I wasn't smart enough to answer.You can call an idiot all you want,but you have nothing but name calling and no facts. Which tells me you have a personal interest in this and can't think straight. I don't fell sorry for you, I pity you. This Land is Free not perverted, Sandy
Sandy Olszta
5:04 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
I stand corrected, You are an idiot..... You would be hurt if one of your children were gay, you would still love them, but not agree with them laying with the same sex. Do you proof read your comments, or do you just spit out whatever comes to your small mind. You made several typing errors in that so called comment and you seem to just want to quote the bible. Do you think those who are gay choose to be? Do you think they choose to have to deal with people like you? Of course they don't. So in your god fearing small mind, you of all people should know that god does not make mistakes and he himself did not write the bible, people did. They translated what they thought should be, times change. Do you shun the men and women who fight for your freedom to speak such crap? Well if not, the commandments say "thou shall not kill" so make up your mind. You can't have it both ways. I am done trying to have an intelligent commentary with you since I usually prefer someone with intelligence to debate with. They are here, they are gay and you my friend have no choice but to get over it. I am sure your small mind will be able to troll another site and find something else to complain about. I hear in Philadelphia they are feeding hungry children for free. Go get them......
Jim
5:15 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Maybe you have a chromeasome missing to? Maybe that would explain your ranting and raving. If you think your born gay then your the idiot. Thats just another easy explaination to all your B.S. You better give up posting now, your making a compiete fool of yourself. God wrote the Bible. Check it out and see what the truth is. You have been guessing for to long. Could you understand my written Sandy?
MJP
9:25 am on Monday, May 14, 2012
I wonder if God is right-handed or left-handed? Did God use a pen, or quill, I mean, it was a long time ago, so probably a quill, or maybe in hieroglyph. Hard to say...
Sandy Olszta
6:29 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Can I understand your written? What does that mean? God himself wrote the bible? Really? Then someone should have a serious talk with John, Paul, Noah, Job, etc, do you see where I am going with this? Probably not, so take your own advice and quick posting, since you are the only one making a fool of himself. I am not the one ranting, I am simply addressing your nonsense.
Jim
6:35 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Forget about the pope Sandy. Somebody needs to have a serious talk with you
Sandy Olszta
6:53 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
What does that even mean? You have yet to make any sense to me. I am done with you, live your gay-free life. I only hope someday a nice gay married couple moves in next door to you to leave you without words. Which wouldn't be much different then how you are now. But honestly, try running your post by another human before you submit, maybe they will tell you how you make no sense.
David Curran
7:04 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Next stop Crazy Town!!! Sandy although I have read your posts and agree whole-heartedly with you, I would urge you to refrain from engaging anonymous comments for more than one or two comments. Many of these people lie and misrepresent themselves in order to just keep the pot boiling. You have made many excellent points arguing for tolerance and compassion, and those are the qualities I feel are important in any religion, or for society as a whole
Sandy Olszta
7:14 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
That is good advice David and I agree. I just hate when people are so closed minded. Thanks for the support and I will take your advice and say good bye to the one who has been driving me crazy....
Jim
8:18 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Being closed minded is your way of saying you can handle the truth Sandy. Because HomoSexuality and Gay Marriage is wrong and has been cursed with the Aids scrouge. Take some true advise and find out for yourself that the lawful recognition of sodomy and gay marriage in this country will lead to it's destruction. Legal Baby killing is already leading to our destruction. I bet you agree with abortion to Sandy. How about Sandy, you probably believe in killing the innocent. You sound like a coward.
justwondering
9:22 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Hey, Jim.....many of us are watching this from the sidelines...just waiting and watching reveal yourself to be quite a hateful person. You hide behind the shroud of Godliness...but you are anything but. Jim, you are filled with loathing and it seems to be just spewing out of you. I wonder if your God supports all of this hate and venom towards others?? Here is what I suggest you do - continue to live in your poisonous world and allow the rest of us to be loving and compassionate...........You can keep posting and posting and the only result will be further evidence of your empty soul. You cannot claim to be devoted to God and then hate the very people he placed on earth. People like you are what is really wrong here. You lack a loving spirit and you want to punish anyone who does fit neatly into your packages. But, the good news is that your type of thinking is losing the battle and we are on our way to a more tolerant and loving world......it is shame that you cannot see your own mean spirited aura....it is ugly
Jim
10:13 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
You Don't HaveTo Wonder, hate is one thing, defeding what is right, is another thing altogether.That's what defenders of Homosexuality and abortions do. They take the focus of themselves and try to blame somebody else for there scumy behavior. Sandy said I crawled out from under a rock. I rather crawl out from under the filfiest rock, and from under the dirty piece of Sh-t, then violate Gods Judgement on two Homosexuals getting Married. I'll tolerate anybody,and I am a very kind person, I just don't like filth,and the Judgment they bring on normal people. Just wondering, why don't you wander to Genesis chapter 19 and read what God has to say about Gay marriage. Than you can change your name to,found out the truth!
mfitz34
11:02 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
those who believe that people are "born" gay do you believe people are "born" bisexual too?? Ive heard this argument, i believe its complete BS
Feodor Tiorlenko
10:50 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Mitt Romney walks into a bar and the bartender says, "I didn't think Mormons drank alcohol". Mitt says, "Oh, I'm not a Mormorn, I never said I was".
Bartender replies, "Oh, then what are you Mitt?" Mitt says, "My name isn't Mitt, I never said it was".
"Well then fella, who are you and what are you?" bartender asks.
"My name is itt and I'm a Moron".
Well that certainly makes sense.
Jim
12:24 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Feodor Tiorlenko walks into a Bar. The Bartender say's to Feodor. "are you going to tell that Mitt Romney Joke again"? Feodor replies yeah why? The bartender replies, "please don't it sucked, and your driving away the customers".
AnnaC
10:27 am on Monday, May 14, 2012
"Not only will gay Marriage break the American tax base, it will also cause Aids,to run rabid. Children in grammer school will have learning problems and the dropout rate will increase a hundred fold..."
Did you really say this, Jim???? You're joking with all of us, right? You can't possibly be serious. Can you? This is some sort of social experiment you're conducting, right?
Because if you aren't, you've got problems.
My religious upbringing, among other things, taught me that God is all forgiving and merciful. Is that what you're counting on when you reach the pearly gates, Jim. Cause I gotta believe that God is not going to be happy with your hateful, judgmental, narrow-minded, bigoted comments about a group of people that he created. We are all God's children, Jim. It appears that you have forgotten this...
Jim
11:08 am on Monday, May 14, 2012
Anna C do you know how to read and understand the English language. If you do, and have been brought up in a Christian Home, than you and your family got it all wrong. You must have went to the church of Whats happening now. If you were so wells versed then read Genesis chapter 19. Not only is God a loving and Merciful God, he is also a God that Judges all those who refuse to turn away from there sin. Anna you better go back and read the truth.
Sandy Olszta
11:09 am on Monday, May 14, 2012
MJP - I nearly spit my coffee out when I read your reply. That was too funny. And to AnnaC, thank you for your reply, Jim was making my head hurt trying to get him to understand what a moron he must be. When he said God himself wrote the bible that was when I knew I had to give up. I never thought to say if God did write the bible himself, wouldn't we have just called that God's journal.......
Sandy Olszta
11:33 am on Monday, May 14, 2012
Wait a minute Jim,...... How can the bible have anything from Genesis in Chapter 19, didn't you just say yesterday that God wrote the bible. You are making my head hurt. And do us all a favor please proof read your comments before you submit them.
MJP
4:56 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Guess Jim missed the part in Genesis 19:36 "Thus both of Lot's daughters were with child by their father."
Jim
1:43 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Yes Sandy, not only did I say God wrote the Bible, I also gave you a specific Bible Book and the the chapter of that Book (Genesis) that shows how God deals with towns, that endorse Homosexuality, and Gay Marraige. Hows that Sandy, is that slow enough for ya. Maybe you should read it(the Bible) before you call me a idiot,or something that just crawled out from under a rock. Is that what you call your open and loving world. Where everbody goes to Heaven and the struggle to be free is interpreted by a fool like you. Why proof read what I said Sandy, you you got it right the first time. "I said that God wrote the Bible" Was that slow enough for ya Sandy?
Sandy Olszta
1:55 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
And then God shall deal with you. When I said you should proof read your comments its because you make several mistakes when writing. I am no longer going to encourage you with these stupid comments. You are an idiot and I am guessing you have been for sometime now. A wise man once said "it is better to remain silent and have others think you are an idiot, rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt, in your case it's too late. By the way, if God wrote the bible then why can't you answer MJP. I would love to hear your response to that one. Have a great day......
Jim
2:28 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Your right MJP, or are you John Key. Remember you were John Key, the lying cop. You were exposed as a lair, so you changed your name to John Key. Or was it MJB, what ever name you are today, why not call yourself lying cop. That's a handle that fits your life perfectly. Your right lying cop,MJB or IRA cop, the Bible is Gods journal. Maybe you should read it and find out what God has to say about imposters and perjury. John Key folded his tent the first time and becomes M.J.B. Then M.J.B. folds his tent, a second time, and becomes IRA cop,he gets caught lying a third time, folds his tent again, and changes his name back to M.J.B. lying cop. Thats all you have is name calling once again M.J.B. John Key, IRA. cop. You have been exposed before as a lying cop,thats why you keep changing your name. Sandy just folded her tent you'll be next lying Cop. GotitshieldszeelyingD.B.
Joey
3:38 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
A brain walks into a bar, the bartender looks and says "you can't come here your out of your head.
MJP
4:58 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Ahh yes, I see you are still smoking reefer Jimmy, good for you! I will see you in traffic again taser boy...
Marc L.
3:24 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Why is it that those who often profess to be the most Godly also happen to be the most incomprehensible and fanatical? I'm not lumping EVERYONE in on this, but do notice that the religious "nuts" are called so for good reason.
Blind Dog
4:12 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
^^^^THIS^^^^
Joe
4:13 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Marc, you are correct, the nuts make legitmate debate impossible. One can make arguments for gay marriage, but there are religious and moral arguments against it. There is a 5000 year history of same sex marriage. Civil rights should be given to ALL people, but in my opinion, marriage is an institution that has been reserved for male/female relationships. Other than a religious service, I'm with Ron Paul on this one, legal contracts between the parties is the way to in the civil arena.
Marc L.
8:41 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
It's been a talking point lately but I can't help but agree that at some point in a few years, there are going to be a lot of people who are embarrassed for being against the idea of gay marriage (much like those who were against freeing the slaves, against allowing women to vote, against allowing interracial marriage, etc.). The idea of allowing same sex couples to have a "marriage" does the institution no more harm than the propensity in which heterosexual couples regularly get divorces.
AnnaC
4:30 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
"Jim
4:50 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
It affects me and everbody else in this country, as to who we are, and what we have become. One Nation under God with liberty and Justice for all..."
FOR ALL, Jim...that would include gay people.
AnnaC
4:33 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
"Jim
1:43 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Yes Sandy, not only did I say God wrote the Bible..."
ummm...except he didn't, Jim.
The fact is, the Bible was written by forty different writers over a period of fifteen hundred years, most of whom never met or talked to each other. Some of them claimed that God gave them the words to write, but God never wrote any part of the Bible.
Sandy Olszta
5:04 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
AnnaC and MJP, this guy is obviously on something. He speaks nonsense. And then when you call him on it, he speaks even more nonsense. It appears that all of us know the bible was written by forty different writers and a long period of time, but he believes, god wrote it and I guess left it in a place where John, Paul or Adam and Eve could easily find it. Funny though, if he were right, you think that would be in there....lol thanks for helping me make sense of Jim though, I just think we are too late.....
Johan
5:14 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
No homo, but I just took a couple of bong hits and read through these comments. Hahahahahaha
This is quite the hilarious chain.
Sandy Olszta
5:18 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Johan, and I am not even trying to be funny, but this one guy Jim makes it too easy..... Glad to see you are enjoying it though, I am too....
Sandy Olszta
5:27 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Hatboro Mike, I agree, he should have made this public years ago, but I still have to back him for having the courage to do so now. Even if it is due to it being an election year. My amazement is still with all those who are still against it and I can't for the life fo me understand why. I am not gay, but if I were I would want to be able to Marry just as a man and women can. I don't see the harm, nor do I see why the government should have ever been involved in this issue in the first place. As I said, I do agree with you, if he has always felt this way, then why did he wait, but at the end of the day at least it was finally said.
Jim
5:44 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Not only did God write the Bible AnnC, God wrote the Ten Commandents. If you would read the Bible instead of slopering all over yourself you might be able to find out for yourself that God wrote the ten commandents,Exodus, chapter 20, God even wrote them down for Moses(Exodus chapter 31 verse 18) after he laid down his Holy Law on Mount Sinai. Instead of opening your mouth and putting your foot in it Ana C, you better learn what your talking about. Not only did God write the Bible burned them on a stone tablets.
Morgan King
7:46 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
You'd think a text written by an omnipotent being wouldn't be so riddled with contradictions.
Johan
5:59 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Jim, the reason homosexuals exist is that people like you touch themselves at night.
Joe
6:34 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Is Jim the Jim from Taxi?? His speech and syntax reminds me of him. Jim, is slopering a scrabble word?? Everytime you open your mouth, you set back real arguments against gay marriage. While everyone has a right to free speech (actually in the constitution it is political free speech) you would be better served to keep you speech to yourself. Next time you post, have a dictionary next to you. (you could also use google to spell check). Just sayin.
Sandy Olszta
6:39 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Ahhhh, Joe, finally a voice of reason. I have been trying to tell him this too but he just don't get it. I don't think he has a clue, but he tries to come at you like he is intelligent but fails every single time.... I think he is the guy from Taxi he talks just like him...
Jim
7:49 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Sandy, it's not to late, as long as your on this side of the grave you still have a chance to practice the truth. Johan I don't have to touch myself, that's taking care of by a normal woman,not some disgusting Homosexual.
Jim
8:00 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Joe I might have mispelled a few words, but you caught what I had to say. I serve more then myself, with the truth. Sandy I thought you were a beat dog. Joe jumped on your Homo band wagon and it bought you back to life. Did you uderstand that Joe, or is it beyond you D.B.
Johan
8:16 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Jim, I demand proof this "normal woman" was never a man in the first place. Can you give proof there were no sex change operations in the past?
Sandy Olszta
8:28 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
First of all, it would take a lot more than the likes of you to beat me down. I actually feel bad for you at times, trying to match wits and intelligence with me. I am with Joe, I need proof that this so called normal women in your life not only does exist but is not a man.... I think perhaps that is why you are so defensive towards an issue that shouldn't even concern you, let alone upset you. Now I know you can't read that fast, so I typed this as slow as I could, just for you.....
Jim
8:58 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Sandy your Gay or one of your kids is gay.Thats why you said I crawled out from under a rock. Your hate towards me and what is right, goes right from your brain to your mouth Probably because you feel, you failed, as a Mother, when you raised a Homosexual.
Sandy Olszta
9:04 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
See Jim that is where you are wrong. I would accept my children if they were and I don't have hate towards anyone else who is gay. My problem with you is, you want to damn all gays to hell but hide behind your god journal. You can't have it both way and it bothers you that I won't allow you to do so. God is forgiving and he does not make mistakes. I have no hate towards you at all, I simply think you are an idiot. I have a beautiful 21 year old daughter who is caring, sweet and just as smart as she is beautiful so if that is failing as a mom, I am happy to have failed then. Before you continue cleaning out these closets, perhaps you should take a look in your own, maybe you are getting ready to come out yourself. I hear they have support groups for people like you. I can hear you now. "Hi, my name is Jim and I am an asshole" Hi jim.....
Jim
9:20 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Sandy, thats because you accept everthing, and stand for nothing, you have no backbone, and would rather agree with the status quo, then stand up for what is right.
Sandy Olszta
9:29 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
OMG, I have never spoke to anyone as thick headed as you. You must being doing this just to annoy me. I accept the things that I can't change, I stand up for what I believe is right. I have plenty of backbone and use it when needed. Who are you to say what is or is not right. You are entitled to your opinion but that does not make it written in stone, its merely your opinion. If you had half a brain you would recall the reason this dumb ass debate with you started because I was in favor of the President coming to the aid of those who are gay. You on the other hand instead of just saying your point (which everyone is still waiting for) you went off on this god wrote the bible, all gays are going to hell blah, blah, blah and when everyone who responded to you with intelligent comments, you resulted to name calling and hate. So who is the god fearing one now, it can't be you spreading so much hate on this blog, god does not condone that type of behavior. So do yourself a favor, wait for a cause that you have some knowledge about before you comment on here again. I am sure Dora the explorer will be on tomorrow teaching spanish to young children, or maybe you could write about spongebob and debate on how he can drink water and cook burgers while he lives in a pineapple under the sea. Those issues are about as close to your intelligence as your gonna get. So good luck, let us know how it all works out for.
Lucy Bennett
12:21 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
The topic is gay marriage and whether you support Obama’s endorsement. While Patch provides an environment for healthy discussion, if the discussion can’t rise above the insults and name calling, the discussion will be closed.
Jim
4:06 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Sandy your the person that resorted to name calling. You called me a idiot a moron, and said "I just crawled out from under a rock". You so twisted you don't even know what you said. I called you a fool,because you can't defend yourself properly so you start to name call.. That's all you got. All talk and no substance.
Bob Byrne
6:16 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Despite all the impassioned rhetoric here, I am curious about something. Will you vote for a presidential candidate based on this issue or is the economy a bigger reason in your opinion to vote for one presidential candidate or another?
MJP
9:29 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
The economy, Afghanistan, the Federal budget, the upcoming insolvency of social security, the environment, all issues that are more important than gay marriage. The candidate that is best able to address, and rectify these issues gets my vote.
justwondering
7:07 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
you go to the well with a pail and discover that there is no water. So you go back with a ladle and still, no water - so you bring a cup and still........... there is no water. stop going to the well. Jim is that empty well and nothing can be gained. Stop going to the well.
Jim
9:56 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
The well is to deep and you brought nothing to draw the water with just wondering.
justwondering
11:18 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Is it tough to find parking around Wayne for your high horse?
Morgan King
11:14 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Bob Byrne - I was going to vote for Obama regardless, but I'm pretty excited that he's been so active about the subject since this comment brought so much attention - I love that he's embracing it rather than stepping back from it. I really thought that it was just going to be a passing comment, but actively seeking the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act is fantastic - even Republicans (at least the ones that aren't total hypocrites) should be thrilled that it gives the power to decide back to the States (right, guys?).
Jim
12:42 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
The States will be in favor of same sex marriage, but the Federal court will overide the states, It will end up Supreme Court who will throw Same Sex Marriage to the pig stii where it belongs. If the states had any guts they would enforce the sodomy law, which is still on the books, and throw some of these F.B. in jail
Morgan King
2:55 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Except the complete opposite of that is what is going to happen - most of the states will reject it (as we've seen so far) only to have it enforced by the Supreme Court, just like it happened with civil rights for blacks in the 60s to force breaking down 'separate but equal' policies. Also, there have been no sodomy laws in the US since 2003.Anyway, the Supreme Court exists to apply, by law, rights to all Americans equally. You have the right to marry the adult you want to marry, and so should every other American.
That's how freedom works - if you want to live in a Theocracy, you are in the wrong country.
Jim
6:12 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Freedom of choice does give a United States citizen the right to degrade somebody of the same sex. When a person of authority (scout master,priest) sexually abuses a child, it's a felony. Most of the abusers are gay, and a lot of the abused children, grow up to have gay relationship,that only confuses there loved ones, and themselves. Freedom, is not a right to explore every form of disgusting behavior. Freedom is the courage to do the right thing, no matter whats the cost. Morgan King your definition of Freedom is very,very, weak.Nobody can teach you how to be free in law school Morgan King. Your still a little wet behind the ears! The laws in the United States are directly connected to Gods laws. Morgan you better go back to the law books. I hope you don't practice civil law. If you do, your clients better run, fast!
Morgan King
8:30 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
"The laws in the United States are directly connected to Gods laws."
Like I said, if you want to live in a Theocracy, you are in the wrong country. Laws in the United States are created by humans, and, moreover, explicitly state that Congress may make no law respecting an establishment of religion, no matter how much you might wish it was otherwise.
MJP
9:32 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Did Jim really comment that most pedophiles are gay? Did Jim also state the most victims of child abuse "grow up to be gay"? Wow, talk about being out of touch, uninformed and just plain wrong.
Chris Butler
7:44 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Dear Patch Editors,
Shut this blog down. Please.
Jim
9:21 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
The Laws of the United States were firmly established way before we became a country. Seperation of Church and State was established back during the rein of Henery the eighth. Laws that have been set forth in Biblical times are the backbone of American Justice System. Morgan King your trying to tie the laws of this county together with this Theocracy pant load.
Morgan King
12:29 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Maybe you are unfamiliar with the term - basically, it's when one particular religion's moral code is treated as law for all the people of that populace. You believe that your interpretation of your religion's moral code should be the legal basis for determining the rights of citizens of this country, no? If you think your religion should determine the laws of a country, that is a Theocracy. If you think the people should vote on the laws of their own country, that's a Democracy. You may have missed it, but this country has been a Democracy since the Revolutionary War (and the moral demands of a particular religion have been barred from holding legal power here since the 1st Amendment.
Why is that? Because law is built on consistency - if I walked up to you and smacked your face, there is a legacy of consistent and enforced guidelines for how that assault is legally resolved. Religion, however, is built on faith that you'll know, regardless of man's law, how to handle being slapped in the face. The problem is, it's completely inconsistent - do you slap me back, an eye for an eye, or do you stoically turn the other cheek? If two gay adults want to share their lives with each other, and enjoy the legal benefits that go along with that, do you support them and 'love your neighbor as yourself,' as in Mark 12, or do you follow Leviticus 20 and make sure they are 'put to death'? How can a man pick and choose which of God's commands to follow? How can you ignore any of them?
Wynnewoodie
8:12 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Jim, you are spectacularly uninformed! "Seperation (sic) of Church and State was established back during the rein(sic) of Henery (sic) the eighth"? You've got it exactly backwards! Henry VIII broke with the Roman Catholic Church (over the subject of annulment) and declared himself (and future Kings of England) head of the Church of England. In other words, Henry VIII didn't separate church and state, he unified them. For the record, that's called a theocracy. Oh, and it's expressly forbidden by the first amendment of the US Constitution.
Ike
9:47 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
If you think about it , it s kind of sick.
Jim
8:26 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
God laws are our Laws, you don't have a choice. If you think Murder,assault, rape are legal,than your saying anything like most gay men do, to justify sodomy. You were in the right book, Levitcus, Morgan; if those laws were in affect today everbody would be a lawbreaker and gay people would be stoned to death by thier neighbors. God burned his laws on a tablet called the ten commandmets.maybe you have heard of them Morgan, they are mans laws, and is called Religon, and if you don't follow the laws, you, and I, and everbody else on this earth, will be judged if we break those laws.
Morgan King
11:03 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
So which is it? Do you follow the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill,' or do you follow 'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman... they are to be put to death'? Both are commands given directly from God to Moses, and yet they directly contradict each other. How can you follow those commands without choosing one or the other?
Bob
9:06 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
"God's laws" are really man's laws, created by men for men. God has nothing to do with it. Believe what you want to believe but don't try to force everyone else to believe your fairy tales. The Old Testament condones slavery so does that make it right? Of course not. God did this, God did that? oh really, where is the proof? Of that's right, He only appears to one man either on the top of a mountain or out in a desert or to a select few believers? How convenient. That is so only a select few have control over the word and with it, the power to control society and make money. Discuss morality all you want as it is totally separate from religion. Just keep religion out of the public square because all it ever does is polute the discussion.
MJP
9:32 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Did Jim really comment that most pedophiles are gay? Did Jim also state the most victims of child abuse "grow up to be gay"? Wow, talk about being out of touch, uninformed and just plain wrong.
sjeffries
1:48 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
The back and forth agruments are usless. Those who stand for thier fundamentalist religious belief can not see another point of view. They rely on ancient teachings to cast opinions onto others and how they live. The fact of the matter is that gay people have been around since the dawn of time. they continue to live in our society and remain productive citizens. They are your neighbors, fmaily, friends and fellow citizens. Those who do not share a zealots religous opinion should not be made to share it. freedom is just that and the freedom for gay people to love and marry should not be into a religious argument all the time. I'm a proud lesbian woman and am not in love with anyone right now, biut drream of my wedding day just like many other girls do. My wedding will include two brides..they only diffrence...
Jim
3:21 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Your Kidding me right?
Phoenix from Philly
3:47 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Great article on this and related issues:
http://www.salon.com/2012/05/15/why_do_conservatives_hate_freedom/
SJeffries
4:19 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
No Jim,
Another point of view. There are some people as hard for you to understand, don't live in fear of being stuck down. let me deal with my own god and you can have yours. men who murder or committ crimes are criminals...those men who love other men are gay. Simple even for you to understand....
Jim
4:52 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Sjeffries, I respect other people point of view, and I tolerate anybody life style and treat people with dignity People should not have to, ever live in fear, but the truth is really scary
AnnaC
8:24 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012
What is there to fear from people who are gay???